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Great work! The speed of the internet That wasn’t even a full day!

In fact,it was more than one day BEFORE release,that many of us run it on a PC.
And Apple will not release a PC version because it can not support it.There is a lot of diferent hardware in PC’s and MacOS is not ready for that.They only have drivers for few devices,parts.
Supporting lots of hardware will shatter the “well known stability” of MacOS.

Hey,
What kind of format do you use for the hard drive? HFS+? And what software allow these kind of format?

apple does not offer a PC version of OS X for very obvious reasons — they make their money off hardware, not software.

if they give you their operating system.. they only make a measly $129 off the people who actually pay for it instead of steal it.

instead, they make several thousand off people to buy macs.

@karthik RE: the problem of Mass Adoption
So are you implying that OS X is secure because of the lower market share than Windows? If so this mindset is entirely off base as this type of thinking would imply that NeXt or BeOS would be even MORE secure than OS X. An operating systems security is NOT tied to its marketshare. HOWEVER attempts to hack it will increase but these attempts will only be successful IF the OS is insecure.

Much like the house in the woods… just because it’s never been broken into because nobody is around makes the door lock better than the one in the city that has a break-in attempt every night

Either OS X is secure or it’s not additional marketshare will NOT make a difference. Just maybe speedup finding the problems.

“I think it’s so idiotic that OSX isn’t available for PC by design”

They can’t afford to support it. Think about the diversity of hardware on PCs. By “locking” their OS to a very specifically chosen subset of the available PC hardware, they don’t have to worry about somebody that just bought a $200 emachine piece of crap where every shortcut available has been taken in the hardware, with one-off chipsets that “sorta” match a published specs, etc.

So, really, it’s not idiotic at all.

Does anyone have the specs of a PC that will be able to run OSX smooth?

The reason Apple has not yet and will never release a version of OSX for generic PC’s is that they are a hardware company. They are not a software company. They develop OSX only to push their hardware.

They would shoot themselves in the face if they were to sell OSX in a state that could be installed by default on any PC. The average user who wants to run OSX on a regular PC would likely not pay for it anyway. Most home users who actually install their own OS pirate it these days.

The majority of legitimate Windows installs out there were done by an OEM.

Apple stands to lose more than they could gain from selling OSX for regular PC’s.

They are in the game to make money, not satisfy people who currently don’t agree with their business model. If you want to run a stable copy of OSX, you will buy a Mac. Many more people are doing this all the time. This is a profitable situation for Apple.

Why would they kill it?

Counting the minutes until the Apple Cease and Desist Letters get mailed, not that it will really do any good.

Heh, you stole my Installation Screenshots!
Anyhow, nice article.

~mac.nub

@Karthik
Security through Obscurity is complete nonsense. If OSX is as secure as we all know it is, the number of people using it should have little to no effect.
The whole windows is insecure because so many use it (and is thus a hacker magnet) argument is just a line windows users/devs give to justify its insecurities.

People of other OS’s should not fall into that line of thinking because it is just a FUD trap.

the reason why apple doesn’t sell a pc version of osx is because it makes it’s money off of hardware sales rather than software sales. if they released leopard for pc, apple would go out of business because people would buy the cheap pc hardware and just put apple’s software on it, rather than buying apple’s expensive computers just to have osx

In fact, if Windows only had to run on 7 or 8 different machines, all with fixed known base configurations, expandable only by USB or 1394, it would probably be a lot more stable than it is.

Mac OS X is already a lot less stable on Mac Pros for the very reason that the number of possible system configurations is much greater, since you can get into the machine and change things, unlike with any other model of Mac.

Yodamouse, just becuase people want something of Apple doesnt mean they are obliged to provide it.

And Apple arent competing with Microsoft, they are doing their own thing in the same market as Dell, HP, IBM AND Microsoft.

Maybe one day OS X will be supported on PCs but at that time, Apple will have to be the biggest company in computer hardware AND software to make it work like it does now for all its customers.

I’ve read this a couple of time and I don’t understand where you get the zip file containing the patch. Could someone clarify this for me. or post the link. Thank you in advance

@KARTHIK KASTURY

Regarding your comment about ‘mass adoption’ bringing security issues to the table… You’re aware that OS X not being able to hold itself if it was mass adopted is an actually huge issue? Security by obscurity isn’t a good thing. Never was, never gonna be.

Yes! This is right up my alley. I thought leopard was proprietary, not open source, Imagine my surprise. I will download it for my PC immediately. Apple will never know! My anonymity remains intact!

Very good work guys! (and speedy too!)

I too wish OSX would one day grace the PC market, but we all know how many drivers would need to be rewritten for OSX so I don’t see it happening (officially).

Keep up the excellent work!

“And Apple will not release a PC version because it can not support it.”

no, Apple will not release a PC version because they are a hardware company, the software is made to sell the hardware. if they released a PC version they would have to up the price enough to make up the difference of not selling the hardware.

in short, there is no PC version because it would ruin the company.

stability is not the issue. Linux is also incredibly stable and also has a driver shortage. The Mac OS doesn’t have to be ready for different hardware, the hardware makers have to stop using windows poor design as a crutch for their shoddy drivers.

please, if you know nothing about OS design, don’t tell us about it.

Why anyone would want to do this is completely beyond me. Sure, it’s illegal… but that’s not why I don’t get it.

Why doesn’t Apple release a version for PCs… hmmm. It could be that they figure people will pirate it like Windows (surely, why not? If you do what this article suggests, since it’s already illegal, why would you buy Leopard to do this?). Could be an inability to support more than 3-4% of the “PC userbase” (customer service/tech support). Could be they make all their money on selling overpriced crap? Could be they can lack support for a shit ton of hardware, since they only need drivers for hardware they sell. But ultimately it seems it would make it super-duper-uncool to those nazi-like Mac-fanatics.
Oh, another one, they realize that selling an OS seperate from the machine is fucking stupid! Historically retail OS boxes don’t sell well, OEMs that come with a machine is where they’d make money. But then they’d have to let other PC makers put OSX on their machines. But that would again make Macs super-duper-uncool to the nazi-like mac-fanatics.

Tangents anyone? Sure!

What really makes Bill cream his pants is all the Mac users that pretty much exclusively use the MS Office suite… except they do it on a Mac. Oh sure, there’s iTunes! Maybe they even use Safari if they’re a few bits short of a byte.

But alas, what do I see Mac users running? Internet Explorer! Outlook, Excel, Word…. And these are people who prefer using Macs strongly over a PC. I just don’t get it. But I still consider these types of users a few bits short of a byte.

I think the biggest preference comes from the short-cuts people become familar with. Then the niche group of Audio/Visual users that haven’t realized PCs can do anything A/V a Mac has been able to do for well over a decade.

I need to get me one of those Mac mice with the ball instead of wheel. Those are nice. Too bad it costs over $50 for a damn mouse. And it’ll probably explode when I attach it to my Windows 2000 machine. Anyone got unlock software for Mac mice? j/k

Not good. Not good at all.

More importantly, Apple wants to control the complete experience of its customers end-to-end. They place a huge emphasis on interoperability within their entire product line. If they were to license OSX, then they’d lose that control, which is arguably the greatest reason that OSX works so well.

And they have plenty of drivers — thank you open source. They’re better supported, and are far more stable than the useless proprietary crap that Windows makes you put up with.

So, whats the general compatibility required to getting a PC system running on OSX leopard? a very intel based system? or do hackers tend to work on other drivers (realtek, etc?) or is it just best to go with a very intel based board (audio, NIC, etc) and just be done with it?

the main problem with officially releasing OS X for pc market, is they would have to come up with a million drivers for all the crappy Gateways, Emachines, or whatever other manufacturer uses substandard parts, for the last 10 years, to please people, people who believe their 8 year old computer is still top of the line.

think of all the driver complains windows has, i think it would translate to OSX on pc toooooooooo….. just my thought.

NO WAI HAX0RZ !

The reason that Apple isn’t going to release a generic x86 OS X (at least, any time soon) is drivers. They know, and include in the installation, the drivers required for ALL Apple hardware. Imagine all of sudden having to support the bizarre range of things people have inside their Windows boxes. You’d have Window fanboys lining up to talk about how unstable the Mac OS is, compared to Windows…which has never had, you know driver issues. Windows would be rock-solid stable too if Microsoft made their own computers.

“Wow. I think it’s so idiotic that OSX isn’t available for PC by design”

That’s just it. With the exception of how they boot, a Mac is just an Apple branded PC. The important hardware is the same. The whole Mac vs. PC dichotomy is artificial. Apple makes their money by building a great OS and tying it to their boutique hardware. If you want the OS, you have to buy a Mac (in theory). The main problem with that is that people like the OS but not everyone wants to buy a premium case and mobile parts. Also, with the smaller hardware base, there are only legit drivers for those parts that are used in Apple computers. If someone wants to get another piece of hardware working, they would have to write a driver or a wrapper to make their hardware work under OSX. Depending on what parts are in your non-Apple PC, you will have better or worse luck getting devices to work. Since Windows is designed to run on a large hardware base, there are many more Windows drivers available. One problem with this is that having a larger hardware base means thousands of possible configurations and higher chance of instability is the price for your hardware freedom.

Yeah, but where the hell is the patched DVD image, just name the site at least for those less computer literates to be able to get it.

In the OSX86 thread, it seemed that you needed to have Tiger already installed on your machine for this work. Is this the case? If I have only Windows XP on my machine right now, can I create a blank partition and have Leopard install onto that? If so, how do I make the dual-boot work?

cd ..
cd ..
cd Volumes
cd Patcher
cd files

Sure, or just cd ../../Volumes/Patcher/files

./9a581PostPatch.sh
I assume you would need to chmod +x to make it executable that way.
sh 9a581PostPatch.sh should work otherwise.
Shell scripts “normally” don’t execute via a perl command.

Having said all that though, thanks for the how-to.
You’ve done a fine job of taking a difficult subject and making it easy. Kudos to you!

….more Leopard/Vista debates, wonderful. I say congrats to the hacker who made this possible, and fuck off to the idiotic one minded people who think one operating system is better than the other. There so different down to the core language level you can’t really compare them anyway.

Uhh can i have XP and leopard on my PC at once. Can i boot my computer up both ways?

Same here..Those who knock it probably cant get it to work on their P2 500MHz Hp machines. You should stay with XP…Bill needs your help..

I disagree with any statement saying Apple is a “Hardware” company. Apple is a technology company. All hardware requires software to be functional and Apples software is the reason people buy Apple hardware. Nobody would buy a Mac if it were not for the top notch software products they produce.. It’s nonsense to say that Apple is a hardware company because in the computer / electronics business sector hardware is nothing but an iBrick without software. So IMHO Apple is just as much a software company, just one that wants to be in control of the devices that run it’s software.

ACTUALLY, it took 2 weeks to patch leopard….

Leopard was released….or should I say, shipped/leaked two weeks before the official release. It made it onto the internet that day…

ok, so i’ve seen a bunch of you people saying things like ” the only way Apple can ever hope to compete with Microsoft…” but here’s the funny thing dumbasses… When last I checked Apple is worth over 4 times Microsoft. Microsoft (MSFT) closed at $35.03/share today (28 Oct), while Apple (AAPL) closed at $184.70/share. Granted, the iPhone has significantly helped Apple. That point made…

The two company’s aren’t even in truly in competition (Zune and iPod aside). Microsoft creates primarily office and os software. Apple creates computers and the operating system that runs their hardware it would be like saying Coca Cola is better than the company that provides most of the sugar syrup to the soft drink industry.

Stop saying that Apple is a hardware company and not a software company. It’s just asinine to say that. Apple is above all things a software company. Their BUSINESS MODEL, however, is to sell the hardware that runs their software. They believe that anyone who is truly passionate about building software has to build their own hardware too.

Thanks for the guide. However, there is some essential info missing: what chipsets (southbridge) are supported? Which video cards?? The forums for installing 10.4 are full of examples of motherboards and video cards that won’t work.

For ex: will Leopard boot on a mobo with an Intel 965 chipset ????

to ryan with questions:

‘Uhh can i have XP and leopard on my PC at once. Can i boot my computer up both ways?’

of course you can… as long as your personal computer is a current mac…

Is Apple a hardware company or a software company?

The answer is : Both.

And Apple doesn’t only sell Macs and its OS but don’t forget they make money through iTunes Music Store too. Moreover, Apple has just launched its WiFi Music Store. What a business.

Imagine how much money they made with these:

iPod/iPhone + iTunes = $$$$

MacBook/iMac/MacPro + OS + .Mac + iWork = $$$$$$$
* Though the .Mac and iWork are just optional products, Apple still made money through them*

Quicktime Pro = $$

Airport Extreme Base Station = $$

In a nutshell, Apple is a hardware/software/music/accessories company.

Done!!

Do I need a iso file for a dvd5 or can i download mac osx version of 6GB.
I don’t understand what apple osx to download.
Help me guys

Part of the legendary stability and security of OS X comes from limiting the support of hardware to a very constrained set. All drivers are written by Apple, maintaining control of the security of the code.

Supporting the plethora of devices that Windows supports, creates a code, test, and management nightmare. That, along with the poorly architected OS architecture, the registry, DLLs, and the myriad of other problems in Windows, creates the mess that is Windows.

With almost every file format that a Microsoft application produces being proprietary (vs. almost every file on Apple being open standards), Windows is a far more closed environment than OS X. Hardware is a commodity - the cost comes from the total costs of managing the environment over the lifespan.

I hope that Apple NEVER comes out on generic PC hardware - if it does, my IT costs for OS X are going to be on the par with Windows, which means a 400% increase in IT budget requirements.

The reason Microsoft makes money is this: Ninety percent of your “average” computer user will walk into a Big Box store, pick the medium-priced, pretty Black/Blue/Grey/Neon-green-with-crazy-tubes-of-color-and-100-fans box that says it will “Play DVDS, Share photos with friends and family, burn said photos to disk. Plus, you can listen to music!” and never ever ever think of the alternative. Most people who just listen to Music, browse the web, share photos, will never ever get a bad MS experience if they have a good AV and Spyware/Adware blocks, which COME with PCs nowadays, anyhow.

Macs are generally for a dedicated user. Are they good at all those things that PCs can do? Absolutely. Sometimes better. Hell, mostly better. But for some people, they are also proibitively expensive. I can’t afford one. I sure as hell want one. But I can go to Dell right now, pick up a $1000 dollar computer with pretty impressive specs, and walk out the door satisfied. Okay, yeah, there’s the Mini Mac. But, still, over a grand with a nice display and peripherals. Even AT a grand, the Dell still has a leg up.

Apple makes more money because they sell EXCLUSIVE, EXPENSIVE products. Plus, who really buys any other DAP? The iPod owns that particular scene. There IS no competition. The SHUFFLE sells a crapton of units, and it’s a very un-user friendly product. I have absolutely NO NEED for an iPod Touch. At all. I have well over 80 gigs of music, and probably 10 times that in movies. 16 gigs ain’t gonna cut it. But I still want one. Oh so badly.

Don’t really know my argument. I do know that MS put out a killer gaming system. Maybe the most fully realized gaming experience, ever. Can’t fault them for that…

God, what a bunch of loosers. You sit for hours in front of your peecee and bitch about Apple not meeting your pathetic little desire to load their os on your mscrap junk. Get up off your fat backsides, put something on besides underwear, (you might want to actually bathe and brush your teeth) and go discover that thing called the sun. Of course, most of you won’t because of a a sick adiction to your winblows emachine.

Now, how did that make you feel? Sure, for most of you it isn’t true. But remember that the nonsense that a few of you self described geeks are spewing about Apple and Apple computer users isn’t true either. Grow up and try to actually join the rest of the world in something productive for society.

To all those who hate Mac OSX so much, why did you waste your time reading this. I have a few friends who just tried this and i doesn’t work. Now they are trying to save up and buy real Macs to replace their “P”iece of “C”raps. Just buy a Mac, why imitate?

What a lot of shitti comments. Apple OS X ist based on Unix. No way for a PC Version.
By the way: Apple is a software company. It is all about the software!

Neat! And I was about to think about getting an iMac next year. Maybe i’ll give this a shot. =)

…oh man… you PC guys suck a lot! zzzzz…

Leopard in 2007 = Vista 2.0 in 2012

To McAllister:

Here is a hint… before calling people “dumbasses” you may want to ensure that you aren’t a dumb ass yourself.

The share price for a given stock is not what determines which company is “worth more.” Microsoft’s share price is lower than Apple’s, but Apple has less shares outstanding.

It is called market capitalization. I’m sure you can read about it on Wikipedia.

Just so you know, Microsoft’s market cap is currently 329.34B (according to Google Finance) while Apple’s market cap is at 161.12B. Looks like Microsoft is twice as good as Apple right?

Unfortunantly there is more than just market cap to think about when analyzing the financial situation of companies, and things are not so simple.

Is there any way that I could exploit my having two hard drives, for instance by putting XP on one and Leopard on the other…is that possible? Or is the current standing that only either Windows OR Leopard can be installed, not both?

To say that Apple is a Hardware company, and not a software company, is pure ignorance. Apple is succesfull because they believe in building turnkey system with tight integration between hardware and software. Apple spends an equal amount of their mindhsare on their software as they do on their hardware. They are inseparable.

It would be more accurate to say that Apple is a company focussed on what the consumer wants/needs.

You can expect that Apple will make attempts to prevent these kinds of hacks for the simple reason that Apple is a HARDWARE company, not a software company. All of Apple’s software exists for the sole reason of selling hardware. That includes the pro apps like FinalCut, Shake, Motion and Logic, even though they are relatively expensive in their own right.

Very few people (whether they be Apple or Microsoft fanboys) understand this, but it’s a simple fact which explains a lot of Apple’s ’strange’ behavior in the software market: They’re not in the software market! They have a long history of abandoning software suddenly and without explanation. (Hypercard anyone?)

Every time Apple has tried to make a serious go of it in the software market, they screwed up.

So why would Apple want to sell OSX for generic PCs? It’s just not their market. Apple’s clone license policy in the mid 1990s nearly scuppered the company. Steve Jobs tried opening up the hardware monopoly (and failed miserably) with NeXT, he’s not going to make the same mistake again with OSX.

Even Safari and iTunes for Windows exist primarily to sell iPods. Microsoft is NOT in head-to-head competition with Apple except with the Zune.

Microsoft is in fact attempting a similar model with Zune and XBox. It’s working well with the XBox…

You know why people don’t buy Apples? PRICE.

You can’t get a Macbook for less than $1100. People talk about crap PCs, but who spends that much for a PC notebook? I sure as hell don’t, my HP book cost me $900 and that was high-end, and the thing is dynamite so far despite my running Vista.

A more than adequate Acer notebook costs about $500. Maybe if Apple could figure out how to enter the same price range as PC’s they’d get a little more love.

is it possible to install on vmware?

can I use latest AMD processor (phenom??)

I’d love to test this out, but it seems like it requires a touch too much end-user fiddling that I’m not comfortable with just yet.

As soon as a fully-patched DVD lands online, I’ll be all over this bad boy.

Why all the fuss about Apple stuff…. why not just install Ubuntu Linux and be done with it.

Since Mac OSX is based on Linux anyway, why not just make a version of Linux, that is open source and looks just like OSX?

I’ve enjoyed reading all of the comments!! One question, does anyone know of a “mac” site that is enthusiastic about the ability of loading MS Windows?? I think not…..

Geez, cool down people don’t get so worked up.

Someone got OSX Leopard running on a PC, aren’t you impressed? I am. They’re not being rebellious, they are just playing and tinkering. Some people like to tinker with stuff, it can be fun.

But no need to get all religious about it, and tell people your arrogant narrow/naive mindset of what you think people should be doing.

Smile for once. Go get yourself a latte. Or a cappuccino with a caramel shot, you’ll love it. Have a nice day please.

Apple can’t afford to sell OS X against Windows.

It’s really easy to prove it for yourself. Look at AAPL financial statements. See how much they make on hardware. Note that it’s around 30% and that most of their sales are in the $1000 - 1500 range with some significant numbers above $2000. On the base model MacBook Pro they make $600.

Now look at what HP pays MS for a copy of Windows. It’s something like $50. Notice that 50 goes into 600 twelve times. That means that for Apple to simply break even on the loss of MacBook Pro revenue they’d have to sell 12 times as many copies of OS X. Given that they already have close to 20% of the market for >$2000 laptops, they’d not only have to put OS X on every single one sold by every manufacturer, they’d also have to grow the market to double its present size.

Having to support so many hardware configurations would easily triple the cost of making OS X, thus forcing roughly another doubling of sales to make up for it. Of course they’d have to implement some drastic DRM to slow down piracy which would further drive up costs and force even more sales. After all that consider what Microsoft would do in retaliation.

So in exchange for the current MacBook Pro sales Apple might need to sell 50-100 times as many copies of OS X into the current high end laptop market just to break even. What part of impossible don’t you understand?

hi there where can i get the files needed?

Screw u guys!!! MAC OWNS!!! LEOPARD ROCKS!! and hackers are just losers who aren’t RICH ENOUGH TO BUY A MAC!!! JUST GO BUY ONE… for gods sake..

install?

Thats one wicked hack and thats some awesome turn around time.

“But that would have the problem of Mass Adoption and that would lead to problems with the security of OS X. I feel its better being an elite OS.”

LOL

If you’re too popular, you’ll get diseases.Better not go out….

Elite OS my A$$…

yowsas!

1) PC != x86
2) PC != Windows

The “PC” platform is very much so supported by the Mac OS X operating system, in all of the senses that it has been proposed to me.

First of all a PC is just a computer which is not a mainframe (which is really an outdated concept). Second of all that means that any processor architecture can be a PC — this include PPC, Motorola, ARM and x86.

This also means that you don’t need Windows, or any other operating system, to claim to have a PC. In fact, if you have any computer that’s not a mainframe, you can say you have a PC.

Mac OS X runs on x86 — in fact I doubt (I don’t know) that you can get 10.5 for anything but x86.

Did anyone install it already?

Hi!

In step 1 it said I need to format a usb driver to FAT32 and name it Patcher, I guess PATCHER and patcher won’t work, it must b Patcher right?

But I got a problem, no matter how I tried to rename it, format it again and name it Patcher, it helps me to rename it to PATCHER! all CAPS! why is that? Could somebody please help me out?

Thanks

how useless! okay…great work, respect for that! but how useless is a crappy pc with osx? nobody really needs that…

Hey, demonoid has closed public registration. anyone want to send me an “invitation”?!?!?

thanks to whomever the generous soul may be

Windows people:

Stay windows people. We don’t want you. In my experience most (not all) PC types are short sighted and judgmental “Mac sucks blah blah” bigots who have never even used a Mac since grade school.
Most Mac people have used both, are subjected to windows every day at work and know first hand which is better.

At my work, JH (the boss man) is slowly coming around to the fact that the Macs we use just seem to work, while the PCs work only if we constantly fight off viruses and bugs and accept the fact that tech help needs to be called every three days (and we only have 5 PCs). He got Dull PCs because he was advised to by his IT brother in law. Those computers are absolute garbage, and by the time we took delivery of the last one there was an audible groan in the office when they saw the box. John gave it the username ‘POS’.

H